5 votes needed for majority.
Melissa D: Rebecca Howe, manager, stolen for some reasonColin Prime: Sumner Sloan, in the wrong seasonAnnette Baron: Janet Eldridge, single and alone
adobery
daneekasghost
mbnovak
todahshy
The Dread Pirate
8BSEMT8
spookymilk
nibbish
Tags: Cheers 2
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I do not understand the Nettie vote. I didn’t have much of a read on her, but I don’t know what seemed wolfy about her. I especially do not understand it in light of BB8 not getting any traction. I especially want to see what happens with some pressure there today.
I’d also like to hear from DG. His was the first of the late votes on Nettie (DPWY had been there since 7), but it came with little commentary and quickly after Adobery listed Nettie and DPWY as two of his preferred options. A DG/DPWY pairing would make some sense (the pressure on Nettie as the counter-option to DPWY) though I think they’d be more inclined to vote out Nibbish in this case, so maybe not. Either way, I don’t love DG’s move to Nettie coming without more, and coming so quickly with
And actually… as I read last night, this stands out to me way more:
https://adobery.com/2020/04/21/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-2/#comment-3359
I didn’t think Nibs seemed wolfy yesterday, despite others saying so, but… there’s way too much explanation here for a villager that is the only other option, 10 minutes from the deadline. A villager in that spot almost always just does what they have to do, instead of justifying as much as Nibs did. Plus, he was exonerating DPWY in the same post, and that almost never happens with a villager. Why go out of the way to explain the vote switch there? The only thing I see in his defense is that about an hour earlier Nibs did mention Nettie’s vote against him as seeming like wolfish revenge.Still, Nibs stinks to me a lot more than he did yesterday, and I’m willing to think I might have been wrong on him.
For now:
vote DG because I want to hear him talking. Especially if he’s a villager. DG, if you’re a villager, talk a lot.
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I’m too stubborn. This kind of thing reflexively makes me want to stay silent just to be difficult.
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Usually I think you make a lot of sense but, frankly, you completely lost me at “want to stay silent”.
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I mean, I probably won’t? But, the impulse is there.
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I definitely wasn’t exonerating DP, I was just saying that I had been reading everything that he had posted in a negative light, and was trying to back off of that.
Voting Annette was largely self-preservation, obviously, but her sparse commentary and “feelings” about people without offering any depth or insight seemed wolfy to me (especially her latching onto me after I pointed out her retcon of Colin’s lynching.
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Nah.
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*** RANDOM.ORG BAR SHENANIGANS ***
The ghost of Diane Chambers has entered spookymilk’s body. I assume spooky can act like Diane Chambers all day without direction, but to be clear, spooky must be pompous and act like’s he’s super sophisticated while failing to do so. Until 7:30 pm
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*lulz*
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adobery and spooky switched to nettie late, and their only rationale was that she wasn’t talking enough. Nibbish’s vote was partially self-preservation. DG, who knows?
I’m beginning to hope either DG or spooky is Harry. Otherwise, they sure aren’t hunting like they normally do.
vote spooky
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I should clarify that if one isn’t Harry, then they are my most likely wolf pair.
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Spooky’s reply to my request for his day 1 vote rationale made me think villager for him.
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I got villager vibe from Spooky yesterday as well.
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Do you mean this reply?: https://adobery.com/2020/04/21/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-2/#comment-3320
Which was presumably referencing this: https://adobery.com/2020/04/20/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-1/#comment-3265
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Yep. Although it was also what he didn’t say about self preservation.
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Was he in any danger? I don’t recall him being so.
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Looks like he was in some danger but he jumped from one leading vote-getter to the new leading vote-getter. Leaving his vote in Novak rather than moving to Colin would have left him in more danger.
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His game has been very weird. Personal mitigating factors aside, I’d kind of be surprised at this point if he’s not the neutral.
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This is a bad vote. I’m always in favor of icing people who don’t offer enough to read, particularly in a game where content is proving hard to come by.
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this was definitely not in Diane Chambers’ voice
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I’ll thank you not to point that out, because as Nietzsche so deftly observed, “the advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time.”
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The vote is not solely because of your nettiebarron vote; instead, it’s based upon the entire game.
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Oh. Worse, then.
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In response to DP, my only rationale specifically about Annette was lack of talking enough, but my switch to her was not just that. I aleady said previously a DP or Annette vote.
At the time of my DP vote, the count was 3 nibbish and 2 pirate. Since DG switched to Annete it made it 3 nibbis, 2 DP, 2 Annete.
We were down to 10 minutes left and Novak and Nibbs were the two with most villager vibes to me, so I’d rather get the vote on and oust Annette who I was unsure of than Nibbs who I felt was villagery.
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In a game that requires the wolves to do nothing really, I’m finding it pretty easy to assign villager motivations to people.
vote 8Bstem8
This is the shakiest villager read I’ve had this game, so let’s start the backtracking here.
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I just wanted to provide a quick list of my thoughts before I leave work. I will be able to expound more when I get home. But seems like we need some fodder for discussion desperately:
From most wolfy to least wolfy:
nibbish – I will look for supporting evidence when I get home but I still can’t shake the way I felt yesterday during the day and the day 1 vote push. Only villagery thing he did yesterday was not switching his vote on to DPWY at the end of the day when in dire straits.
adobery – I could see an adobery/nibbish pair. Switched from DPWY to Annette in less than an hour last night and that seems sketchy to me.
DPWY – Basically because it is DPWY and he always reads like a wolf to me.
8BSEMT8 – I am not a fan of quiet types and as DG just said, quiet types in this game in particular are really bothersome for the village.
daneekasghost – quieter than usual but reading more villager than wolf to me, maybe Harry?
mbnovak – I get a villager vibe from Matt right now.
spookymilk – Day 1 he was clearly disengaged. Yesterday when he was here seemed pretty standard villager spooky to me.
I will put vote adobery for now, since I’d most like to hear about the vote switch last night.
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Like I explained to DP above, the vote switch was because time was winding down, I the only two players I got clearer villager vibes from was novak and nibbish. So with nibbs leading, and Annette moving to 2 votes with DGs switch, I voted her to get her out rather than nibbs.
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thanks for bolding, through try to vote at top of post so I don’t miss it
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Sorry, but in this daft game of (half)wits and (faulty)logic, while I feel I should almost certainly walk to maintain what little remains of my lost dignity, I shall vote for one making a vote too poor to be believed:
vote The Dread Pirate
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I know last game DP fooled me. He posted a long thought out villagery list and I moved off him and he turned out to be the wolf.
I have liked some of his prodding during both days…he’s been trying to get people to talk. He’s been dropping in questions asking for further explanation from people of their votes. Maybe that’s just easy and convenient play. I dunno.
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I’m trying to simplify my thinking on this…
Wolves win if Sam is dead. Sam knows the Wolves. Easiest path to victory for the wolves is Sam is dead. Therefore, aim at people who are aiming at them, because presumably that’d be Sam.This is the default, with that entire approach of course tempered by questions of who is faking out whom. Whom is faking out who? Whatever. There’s bound to be fake-outs. But if we set aside the fake-outs, it makes sense to assume the wolves are going to be looking for Sam by voting out people who are voting out them. Right?
Anyway, in looking up this stuff, night 1 Prime switched late to Spooky and cited DG’s logic. Then DG and Spooky and Nibs all late switched to Prime. That looks suspect to me.
Night 2, Nettie votes (much earlier), for Nibs, and then Dg, Spooky and Nibs all late switch to Nettie.
Again, in those 3, I think we’ve got a decent chance of finding at least 1, if not both, wolves. Right now, DG’s votes are sticking out to me the most.
Admitting that this whole theory may be absolute crap, assuming that Sam and the wolves are playing smarter than I am.
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If your theory is correct then the wolves jumped on a nibbish voter and a spooky voter because they thought those voters were targeting wolves, so the wolfiest of the voters is … the third wolf, DG.
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I’m trusting there to be some fake-outs.
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DG rarely disappoints in that regard
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Mostly here, you’ve pointed out that nibbish, spooky and I are consistently around late and tend to switch votes.
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Hey! My theory was supposed to be the Occam’s Razor here!
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adobery: can’t read him very well, giving me neutral vibes
Novak: giving villager vibes, confident that he is a villager, and can’t see anything wolfy
Nibbish: Wolf? I agree with Novak here, his explanation intrigues me
“I didn’t think Nibs seemed wolfy yesterday, despite others saying so, but… there’s way too much explanation here for a villager that is the only other option, 10 minutes from the deadline. A villager in that spot almost always just does what they have to do, instead of justifying as much as Nibs did. Plus, he was exonerating DPWY in the same post, and that almost never happens with a villager. Why go out of the way to explain the vote switch there? The only thing I see in his defense is that about an hour earlier Nibs did mention Nettie’s vote against him as seeming like wolfish revenge.”
todashy; Not confident, but seems like a villager to me, nothing wolfy so far
ghost: pretty quiet, nothing suspicious
Dread Pirate: givesoff villager and wolf vibes, have no idea what he is
spooky: no clue
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vote DG
His game has been…terse. that’s nothing new, but I’ve been bitten by silent DG too many times to give him a pass for a few late evening vote jumps.
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Hmm.
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I’ve got you or DG as a wolf, but very unlikely both.
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Why?
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They’re not acting like a pair. It’s not impossible but it seems like a derpy, visible way to team up at this stage in our careers.
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Also, why the obsession with primarily asking me but nobody else “why?” It’s getting tiresome.
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It’s not always about you, Diane.
https://adobery.com/2020/04/21/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-2/#comment-3338 -
I feel like Cheers might lend itself more towards that visible team up? They’re far less hidden with their identities known by a villager, right?
I’m on still on board with it possibly being both of them. Or also either of them and you. Or maybe you twice over? That’d be the really smart wolf play. A secret ancient wolf.
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Also my “why” here isn’t very clear. I didn’t mean why not both together; instead, I meant why do you think one is a wolf (presumably you think they must pair with me since you’re voting for me)?
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I still don’t think it’s nibbish.
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I feel like Pirate would be a really interesting vote. So let’s do that.
unvote: 8BSEMT8
vote: Dread PirateHe’s got a couple of votes at the end of each day, but never really ended up in danger (partly my fault).
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adobery (1)
daneekasghost (2) — voting DreadPirate
mbnovak — voting DG
todahshy — voting adobery
The Dread Pirate (2)
8BSEMT8
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I am reminded that I am not speaking in the manner befitting my station. While I’m sure it would please you all to hear that I’ve simply forgotten my role in today’s little play, the simple truth is that I’ve been purposely bantering like a common plebeian, to ensure that my charming witticisms don’t go over your collective heads.
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vote Todashy
want to hear from him
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I posted a list up above and there have been less than 20 comments since then…so… Not much has changed in my mind. I have some time now to go back and do a reread of the prior two days (so I’ll be back in less than a minute based on the amount of content produced thus far).
I still lean nibbish/adobery as wolf pair right now prior to my read through.
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I’m AFK for a while, should be back before the deadline. I’d guess Harry is one of the 3 I’m looking at, and possibly a wolf too. I’d love to hear from DPWY and Todah on my theory re: looking at that 3-some.
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You heard this morning that I find DG and spooky the most suspicious because they’ve been so strangely unhelpful as villagers, so your theory works for me.
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I so much admire your career-long ability to know that a person is indisposed by life, and has not shied away from saying so, and yet still find the courage to call them out as being an infinitesimal step away from the norm and act as if you have caught them red-handed. It takes an exceptional will to endlessly travel down a road that you know leads nowhere.
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Ok just re-read Day 1, not much of interest other than (in order of them happening): Novak’s weird vote for Prime which spooky picked up on at the time which only seems to confirm my read of spooky as villager at this point.
Also Novak getting up to 5 votes so easily seemed to be the next thing that stood out. The voters were (in time stamp order):
DPWY – joke vote 10:37am
spooky – 5:51pm voting after Novak’s vote mentioned above
nibbish – 7:10pm – wants to consolidate vote targets, latrches on to spooky’s theory of the Colin vote
Colin Prime – 7:30pm – revenge vote?
BB8 – 8:01pm – no reason givenSketchiest of those votes to me are nibbish and BB8.
Then the third thing was the pile on Colin at the end of the day.
First vote on Colin was Novak’s aforementioned post at 4:57pm
At 8:48pm it is 5-2-1 (Novak-DPWY-Colin)
nibbish unvotes Novak at 8:50pm after seeing him close to lynch
DPWY unvotes Novak and votes DG at 9:11
Colin unvotes Novak and votes spooky at 9:21Then
nibbish at 9:28
DG and spooky 9:29 basically all 3 voting at same time at deadline.Maybe a Novak/nibbish or Novak/DPWY wolf team?
Reread of Day 1 confirms to me that spooky is villager I don’t see what DG is seeing about him.
If Novak is village then leaning BB8 villager because I don’t think a wolf drops a 5th vote like that on Day 1.Didn’t get too much on anyone else from that.
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Re-reading Day 2 and got to the spooky/Novak fight. Find myself siding with spooky but I found this comment interesting: https://adobery.com/2020/04/21/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-2/#comment-3325
Novak says he voted Colin because he thought he “looked wolfy” but he voted for Colin before Colin even showed up? Also tries to absolve nibbish in the same post which sort of lends to my Novak/nibbish theory from my Day 1 re-read.
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Ok now I will try to break down the end of day vote:
At 8:54 it is 3-2-1 (nibbish-DPWY-Annette, couple other stray votes as well).
nibbish votes were made:
me: 11:42 am
BB8: 12:35pm
nettie: 7:42pmDPWY:
nibbish 8:19
adobery: 8:43nettie:
DPWY: 7:06Only thing I took from this is that nibbish could have swapped his vote at 8:19 on to nettie at that time for self preservation but instead went to DPWY who at the time had no votes. Since we know nettie is village then he didn’t do this to avoid bussing a wolf or anything so I am thinking it could be a villager sticking to his guns even if he flames out. But then when I read on he votes out of self preservation anyway which just defeats that whole theory…
After vot eupdatre at 8:54 the votes went as follows:
DG votes for nettie at 9:15
now 3-2-2
adobery votes nettie at 9:18 (makes it 3-3-2)
nibbish unvotes DPWY and votes nettie – makes it 4-3-1 at 9:20
spooky votes nettie at 9:26
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This analysis is laughably bad. My logic on Prime was that he is often absent as a wolf and it was that absence that made him look bad. I acknowledged up front that my assessment would obviously fizzle if he showed up. It was a day one shot in the dark, based on my best guess using past games. Reading more into that and ignoring the actual rationale I out down is just a terrible assessment.
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“Laughable” is probably too strong. Sorry. I slipped into my Spooky voice…
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Don’t flatter yourself. You can’t bottle my style.
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That’s alright. No one buying it if I could.
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After all of that I am leaning towards novak/nibbish as my top wolf suspects.
unvote adobery, vote mbnovak
That Novak post I referenced sketched me out on the re-read so I will put my vote there for now.
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Alas, the broken clock that is todahshy must be correct twice a day, and Novak’s claim for his vote reasoning in light of the timing for his vote does indeed read like a smoking gun.
unvote Dread Pirate, vote mbnovak
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unvote todashy
vote nibbishstill feel strong on my nibbish vote, I don’t see novak being a wolf
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Podcast night commences shortly, so I’m unlikely to grace you with my presence again tonight assuming all goes well.
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adobery
daneekasghost (2) — voting DreadPirate
mbnovak (2)— voting DG
todahshy — voting mbnovak
The Dread Pirate (1) — voting spookymilm
8BSEMT8 — voting nibbish
spookymilk (1) — voting mbnovak
nibbish (1) — voting DG5 for majority. 2 hours and change until close
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Done with work and dinner. Going to read and see if I can be helpful.
Todahshy’s several recent posts really make me feel villager about him. That’s some villager work there. Will read it more thoroughly.Could we vote to permanently make Spooky talk as Diane Chambers?
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It’s wrong, but it certainly reads like a villager who can’t shake an idea that’s gotten into his head.
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Todahshy sees Novak’s first vote in Colin, but doesn’t the subsequent comments where he says Colin’s actions after Novak’s vote looked wolfy.
Like this one for example https://adobery.com/2020/04/20/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-1/#comment-3228
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Read through Todahshy’s lists/breakdown and the linked posts.
I really think it’s too much being read into Novak’s prime vote.
1) It sounds like it was based on Colin not showing up yet and past games, but anyway, it feels like people were thrown off by his jokey post: ” I don’t like how ugly Colin Prime apparently is, or maybe is not, or maybe he’s just sort of plain?”That was a callback to DG’s insult of his attractiveness. So guess it could have made it sound weird.
It wasn’t a weird vote in itself, and I don’t see how Spooky find it “all kind of shitty”. Colin hadn’t shown up yet and it was day 1. Doesn’t seem like there is that much to read into that vote post to me.
Todahshy says “Novak says he voted Colin because he thought he “looked wolfy” but he voted for Colin before Colin even showed up?”
No, Novak never said Colin looked wolfy in his vote post. It looks like later he added posts after Colin showed up that made him decide to keep his vote there.
He tries to “absolve” Nibbish in the same post? Novak just restates the same point he made on day 1. Doesn’t look like a wolfy point to me.
That’s my thoughts on Todahshy’s thoughts.
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I agree with most of this (like I say above about the Colin vote).
Stil suspicious of spooky for not seeing thar todahshy has a flimsy read
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Alas, I can’t teach one how to recognize shitty tone; I can only continue to see it.
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Spooky has jumped on Novak twice now for posts I don’t find so damning as he seems to.
His first post on Day 1 regarding Novak’s vote of Colin, this one yesterday regarding Novak’s vote of 8BSEMT8.
https://adobery.com/2020/04/21/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-2/#comment-3322
Is there some tone I’m not pickign up on there that spooky is? Novak merely makes a lone vote, early enough in the day on 8BSEMT8, to get 8BSEMT8 to talk. It was true 8BSEMT8 was voting without giving any real reasons.
Novak wasn’t calling him wolfy or trying to get the crowd behind the vote. Seemed like normal poking at someone to get convo started.
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Alright, work is done, the kid is in bed, and the dishes are in the dishwasher.
Reading up…
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adobery
daneekasghost (2) — voting DreadPirate
mbnovak (2)— voting DG
todahshy — voting mbnovak
The Dread Pirate (1) — voting spookymilm
8BSEMT8 — voting nibbish
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Okay, Adobery. What do you say? You’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet. I feel like you should do so, in order to provide at least that much clarity.
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I dunno. I almost want to vote 8BSEMT8 just cause he’s not provided explanations or talked enough to pick up anything meaningful on later.
DG kinda bugs me, and Spooky a little bit.
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So Todah is on me, and not likely coming back based on previous nighttime absences. Spooky is on me and not likely coming back, based on what he’s said.
I’m on DG, nibbish is currently on DG. Nibbish is here.
Presumably, DG is around late, and will change his vote to preserve himself. That would be to me, if trends hold…
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I am here. After reading back, I still like my vote more than any others at the moment.
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You shouldn’t.
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So do I.
Spooky looks a bit funkier too.
Also, you’ve got to admit, all 3 of the 3 of you jumping both nights looks gross. One of the 3 of you must be not-a-wolf (that’s just math!) so obviously at least 1 has an innocent explanation. But it looks weird.
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All 3 of the 3 of us attempt to jump late often. Much like Sam, except less frequently and with more success.
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That’s the innocent explanation, yes. But it also so happens that this version of the game we’re playing makes Sam hunting a thing for wolves, and those late jumps might be grosser than usual. More gross? Grocer?
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unvote: Dread Pirate not even a whisper of interest there.
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vote: 8BSEMT8
Like… I dunno. But maybe? I like that vote more than anyone else with votes right now.
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I really don’t know what to do.
Todahshy – posts give me villager vibe, but I don’t agree with his analysis really
mbnovak – post have seemed villager made decent points. Don’t pick up on tone spooky does (do I ever pick up on tone?) and seems to me too much hype put on Novak’s colin vote.
DP – have liked his prodding of explanations from people
8BSEMT8 – he’s never played this style before and he’s 15 years old. Not contributing much or giving much explanation. Doesn’t mean much to me for wolf/villager given his inexperience, but its definitely not helpful
spooky – Day 2 seemed like his best day of communication and poking at people. Not seeing eye to eye on his read of Novak.
nibbish – his posts first 2 days made me think villager.hasn’t really said anything today to change it.
DG – he’s not provided whole lot of insight into his process. Thought he was a bit short with me when I asked clarification. “i explained it yesterday”. Could have answered my question easily as I even laid it out for him.
Nothing screams wolf at me. So tricky with Sam/Harry role out there to know what’s wolfy and who is trying to not be picked up by wolves.
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I’m here once more and I don’t like any of you. Though, in order not to pick off Sam I’m going to vote for the one person who rode me hardest and therefore can’t be Sam.
unvote mbnovak, vote Dread Pirate
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2 DG, and 5 votes on 5 different people. Yipes.
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You really ought to vote.
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adobery
daneekasghost (2) — voting BB8
mbnovak (1)— voting DG
todahshy — voting mbnovak
The Dread Pirate (1) — voting spookymilk
8BSEMT8 (1) — voting nibbish
spookymilk (1) — voting DPWY
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For real, I almost want to vote BB8 so that we can parse some of this tomorrow, rather than rushing something that ends up with someone who’s engaging in the game out.
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Gah! But none of you were interested in that vote yesterday, despite it existing for the same reason! What is happening? I feel like we’re stuck in a bar and everyone has been drinking too much!
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Ugh. DG or 8BSEMT8.
vote 8bSEMT8
Let’s see if anyone wants to break taht tie.
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Hopefully if tie, we get to debate between the two in OT?
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unvote dg
vote 8bsemt8I still don’t care for DG, but at least he’s (kind of) providing rationale. We need votes and Reasoning behind votes is the only thing that gives us a chance here.
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I feel better than ever about my nibs/spooky/dg theory.
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I’ll do it. There’s something rotten about spooky and/or DG, so might as well figure it out now.
unvote spooky, vote DG
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Heh.
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Well, thats quite the cross posting.
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BB8 and DG have both been tied to the bar and duct taped. They cannot talk.
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*** I think it’s BB8 3, DG 2 ***
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Isn’t it 3 for 8BSEMT8 and 2 for DG?
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Nevermind, think I miscounted
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BB8 has been sent up to Melville’s
adobery — voting BB8
daneekasghost (2) — voting BB8
mbnovak (1)— voting DG
todahshy — voting mbnovak
The Dread Pirate (1) — voting DG
8BSEMT8 (3) — voting nibbish
spookymilk (1) — voting DPWY
nibbish (1) — voting BB8 -
Gary sat down at the table with BB8, who was digging into his steak tartare, prepared by the finest chefs at Melville’s.
“Are you Sam Malone,” Gary asked?
“The guy in charge of the bar?”
“Yup,” Gary said.
“The guy who everyone else relies on?”
“Yup,” Gary said.
“Dammit, Gary!”
Melissa D: Rebecca Howe, manager, stolen for some reason
Colin Prime: Sumner Sloan, in the wrong season
Annette Baron: Janet Eldridge, single and alone
8BSEMT8: Sam Malone, loser of the Bar Wars yet againWOLVES WIN!
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As soon as I saw your vote for BB8, I had you locked as a wolf.
I was thinking DG was Harry, not Spooky, but I knew between them there was something going on.
Earlier in the day I had suggested to Beau Spooky as Sam, trailing you and DG late at night to look less like Sam. That’s why I didn’t want to vote Spooky.
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That was a home run swing. I had a strong feeling that he was Sam, but was happy to see literally anyone but me go tonight. When he was an option there, well….I didn’t figure my odds of making it through tomorrow we’re very good, either way.
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Tee hee hee
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Sonofa!
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Night Zero
Luke (BB8) is Sam. Big role for his first full Werewolf game.
DG is Norm.
Kelly is Harry. He’s not sure if he’s ever been a neutral before.DG decides not to protect anybody on night zero. I can see why.
Day One
Glad random.org picked DG to be Carla. That was fun.
I was wondering why BB8 wasn’t showing up. Found out at 8 pm from him he never got his role. I sent it to the wrong address, so he was playing and voting having no idea if he was a wolf or villager. Sheesh.
Nibbish messages me that he wishes someone would put an accidental vote on Novak to get a majority. Then two minutes later removes his vote. Nice.
Colin Prime is the first person killed in both Cheers games. He always looks wolfy, I guess.
Night One
Nibbish to Todahshy: Who can we safely say is NOT Sam. Bb8, right? That seems about it at this point. To be fair, every post BB8 made today was before realizing who he was playing.
DG (Norm) asks me if he can role-claim. Dang it, hadn’t thought that through. Hopefully my solution is satisfactory. He decided to protect nibbish.
Day Two
Adobery out of the gate questioning the mod. Probably looks villagery, but we’ll see. Edit: Nope!
From BB8 “has seemed really suspicious yesterday and seems to know how to manipulate the game in his favor” Interesting tactic here. It’s a bit vague, but that’s expected from first time players. And his gut instinct is on. Except he know that nibbish is a wolf. I like the tactic of just going after a wolf and not trying to hide behind Sam. We’ll see how it goes. He’s at risk of getting himself lynched just because he’s talking the least.
We almost had no kill today as DG decided to protect nibbish. That would have been hilarious and just awful for the village. They might have thought they protected a villager and then not gone back to nibbish at all.
Night Two
DG protects nobody again.
Day Three
Lots of people sending me theories today. Of note from Spooky:
\Idle thought: if BB8 is Sam, he’s essentially saying it outright
Wow. Ryan puts Sam into a tie with Norm. Then craziness ensues. Nibbish wins the game for the wolves.
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Well, I suck as usual.
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Well, I suck, but I wasn’t too wrong compared to most of us.
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So the two people I said made really villagery posts were the two wolves. Ugh. I don’t feel bad about voting Sam though. Got to participate more than that.
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It was killing me just hanging around all game long especially at the end of the days but not doing anything because no one was suspecting me so I didn’t want to screw it up and get on people’s radars.
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You played it well. I think if you’d have come in late I would have suspected something.
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I forgot how stressful being a wolf was. Add in someone knowing that you’re a wolf puts a whole new twist on it too, which is terrifying as well.
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I will give a ton of credit to Todah for his. I read that as villager all the way. I don’t think you can’t feel too bad about that one.
Nibs… yes. Feel bad about that. (Says the guy who argued against Nibs both night 1 and day 2).
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Yes, you assigned a shit-ton of villager cred for pointing out that I didn’t move off you when I a) wasn’t even around at first, and b) didn’t even realize you were that close to lynching until after he removed his vote.
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I did. But knowing I was a villager, I couldn’t see the upside in Nibs’ play.
He unvoted me down from the majority! From my perspective, that was a very villagery move, with no wolf upside. It was limited to my perspective, but it really went a long way.Obviously I got over it today, and was trying to make that clear…
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The upside was going to be cred with you specifically for day two. I had a feeling that at the very least, Dread Pirate was going to be on my back, and if I could turn down a low chance at a mixup lynching to get some cred with you, I figured it was worth it
It was.
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Played me like a fiddle.
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A country fiddle, not a pop fiddle.
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I don’t feel TOO badly about making it through three days. I wouldn’t have switched to BB8 at the last second tonight unless I felt that it was going to win the game.
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Thanks! I tried super hard to put the most Todahshy villagery post out there I could as further Sam bait to try to confirm the BB8 hunch.
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If it makes the village feel better, both wolves pegged BB8 as Sam four hours ago, so as long as they stuck to that gut feeling, the village had no chance.
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Not really any better, no.
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It does make me feel better that I don’t have to convince myself to put any time into doing research tonight. I did zero in this game aside from the little reading of Todahshy’s stuff and a little more.
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Nibbs, do you switch your vote off DG if I get my vote made first? I mean, you had already “found” Sam, but would you have made that last-minute switch after I already tried to “break” the tie?
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Oh yeah, in a heartbeat. With him right at the edge there, I was going to snipe him no matter what if I could get him.
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It would have worked out anyway because no one would have known that I had accidentally saved Sam. Instead, you would have them after me for killing Norm.
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First game of this, and of course I get Sam, and Beau didn’t send the role confirmation e-mail to the right address so it already started off bad
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That’s a brutal role to get for a first game. Even being a wolf would be easier because you have others to rely on.
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Day 1: I thought DG was Sam and he was throwing spooky as an option to lure me and Pete into making a dumb mistake (I think something like that is the only way to play Sam properly really).
Day 2: I thought Annette was since she voted for nibbish and then listed me as a potential wolf out of nowhere.
Day 3: as soon as BB8 said “I want to hear todahshys thoughts” when I had already posted a full list when no one had really said anything all day sold me on it.
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Whats funny too, I already thought nibbish was a wolf before I got my role
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I want to know what the heck DG was doing this game!
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And, for that matter, what a villager version of Spooky would have thought.
I think Harry needs to have some skin in the game with the village – just like in show. These are his marks, not Gary’s.
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Yeah, I’ll take suggestions. As it stands his role is very hard and confusing.
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Even just an “at least 1 wolf is dead” addition might work, if you reduce the number he needs to survive by 1?
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I played villager spooky to some degree. I knew BB8 was Sam with no doubt at the end. I knew nibs was a wolf, but I didn’t need or even want him to die. If I was here and not on my podcast I would’ve fought against a BB8 kill.
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I took everyone being off this game as just having weird schedules / kids around or other craziness due to the lockdowns.
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Not much.
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I just thought maybe you’d refuse to answer.
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And yet somehow, always ending up being the first or second vote on the majority… It’s really weird how often it feels like that happens.
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I could feel your anger today. I wish I could have had your back in the village. But alas…
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Yesterday I was angry. Today I was lost. I didn’t say anything because I had no insight to contribute.
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I said to nibbish after day 1 that we had no chance. We can’t do night kills and we are against a village that contains Novak, DG, DPWY, and Spooky AND someone knows who we are. I’m pretty proud how we played that.
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When nibbish and I come together no one can stand in our way.
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I had nibs because of some things BB8 said, but I was thinking you mostly because you were being too bad to be a villager. I wasn’t mad; I didn’t actually need much of anything except for Sam to live.
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Is it weird that there were stretches of this game where I said to myself “we could really use Inkarnit in here to liven things up right now”.
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So when we doing a Zoom werewolf? (Or fall Caesar)
I played a Zoom werewolf game with a bunch of people last weekend and it was a blast.
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I think turbo is the only reasonable palette cleanser here.
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Interesting info. I just talked to my son and told him his vote and comment on Todahshy was what tipped the wolves (and Kelly). He asked why, I said because you asked for Tody to talk not 20 minutes after he posted a detailed list on everyone.
“He did? I did a search for him to make sure he hadn’t”
“Did you spell it ‘todashy'”
“Yes.”
“That’s why. He has another ‘h’ before the ‘s'”.
“OMG! I was checking to make sure. I didn’t see him anywhere.”
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Ha! It took me SO long before I realized that.
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This makes me so happy.
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H!!!!!!
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I was certain BB8 was Sam. God damn it, guys.
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Ok was thinking a bit more how to better balance this game, how about this for the neutral:
Instead of Harry the Hat as neutral and Norm as angel, you have Frasier as neutral and Diane Chambers as angel (because of course she wants to save her beloved Sam if at all possible).
However, Frasier is still pissed at being left at the altar by Diane so his win condition is to have Diane lynched. But how does this do anything but help the wolves? If Frasier succeeds and Diane is lynched, Sam is also removed from the game (because Sam can’t go on without Diane).
But doesn’t that help the wolves even more? Slightly, but as a result their win condition of winning by killing Sam is removed and they must win only by equaling the number of villagers in a game with no night kills. Additionally, while Frasier’s win condition is met, he then becomes a villager because just like in the show once Diane is gone he becomes one of the gang. Further handicapping the wolves.
I think this could open up some more strategy… Does Diane role claim to get Sam killed if it becomes obvious everyone knows who he is? Or do you just ban her from role claiming as with Sam? I see pros and cons to both. Let me know what you think, I’m sure I am missing some big exploit (but don’t we always?)
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Maybe make it so that wolves at any time prior to Diane’s death can do an all or nothing shot at Sam. This would make it tough for Sam to leave an obvious trail to the wolves after he was taken out making the post Diane game meaningless.
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Sounds intriguing. Feel free to mod!
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I only mod/narrate Zoom werewolf 😛
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Set it up.
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