Melissa D: Rebecca Howe, manager, stolen for some reasonColin Prime: Sumner Sloan, in the wrong season
adobery
daneekasGhost
mbNovak
todahshy
The Dread Pirate
Annette Baron
8BSEMT8
spookymilk
nibbish
Bar Closes at 9:30 pm. 5 Required for Majority
Tags: Cheers 2
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Role clarification: Norm Peterson can role-claim if they want to do so. However, if Norm does this they will be exposed to the wolves and will no longer be able to protect Sammy.
I will still only confirm Norm Peterson’s role upon death.
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Was anyone else mildly confused by the death post? Would be nice to get a (bar patron) after the name or something. Took me a sec to remember who Sumner was and even then if that made him a good or bad person.
I don’t know what to make of the back and forth last night. Seemed a lot was being read into three Colin/novak/spooky posts for Day 1 posts. Of all the things though the point about Colin moving off novak then saying a lot of bad stuff about him was strange.
I’m no good at reads so I really wouldn’t have known who to vote for anyway.
Can’t really say to look to much into those making points on Colin today, cause that seemed like natural day 1 wolf hunting when you’re looking for something, anything that means something.
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If a wolf is killed it will be very clear.
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Well then…
I see it’s been fairly quiet this morning. What’s the matter, don’t you patrons drink before noon?
I’d like to know what people who weren’t around at the end of last night think of how things went down. Knowing now that Prime was a villager makes me think we had villagers sitting around looking at other villagers. As is typical.
So I’d like to hear what Annette, BB8, Todah, and Adobery have to say. Except for Adobery, since he already commented I guess. Except his “I don’t know what to make of…” seems weak sauce, right?
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Yes, it does. I still think you’re probably a wolf, but he might be too.
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I guess the one downside of no night kills is no reason for people to rush on and see what happened.
As I said earlier last night I would have preferred to miss on a quiet unhelpful person than a potentially helpful villagers down the line like a Novak or DPWY. Between those two only DPWY somewhat triggered me by refusing to switch off a joke Novak vote with no other reasoning behind it.
For the Colin voters I’d like to know why nibbish started the Colin train and also why spooky decided to jump on it. DG was pretty vocal about wanting a non Novak / DPWY option so I get it from him.
I guess I’ll vote DPWY because I’d like to hear from him most of the three.
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Where did I refuse to switch? I voted for DG to try to get him talking (and it worked), and before that I hadn’t moved off Novak because I seemed to be the alternative at the time.
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You’re right. My bad i totally misread your comment yesterday.
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I didn’t “jump on it.” We posted at the same time. Good god.
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I just want to say I appreciate the deep Sumner Sloan pull.
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unvote DPWY Vote nibbish
Ok now in to nibbish. Why Colin last night?
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Simply put, it was the dirtiest comment of the day. The combination of unvoting DP while simultaneously talking about how suspicious he found him just felt way off.
I wasn’t the only one who felt that way.
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Todah – Take this only for whatever you think it’s worth, but to me this comment by Nibs seems very villagery:
https://adobery.com/2020/04/20/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-1/#comment-3229I’m a villager and I know it. If he’s a wolf, why is he trying to target DPWY instead of me as a villager, when I have a ton of votes on me. Also, Nibs moved his vote off of me, which a wolf would have no incentive to do.
I feel like Nibs is as clean as he can be right now. This all obviously carries more weight for me since I know I’m a villager, but I don’t see a wolf Nibs acting this way.
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Ah, I think that was actually the post that made me think DPWY was dirty for leaving his vote on you earlier. But then when I went back and read it today after he replied I realized it was all a big misunderstanding.
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DP’s comment about that he’s “absolutely certain” that there’s a wolf between Spooky and I seems more off the more I think about it.
Why should either vote feel strange to him? There was an insane spread of votes — DP even mentioned it, and I was trying to distill that into a single target or two. It’s not like there wasn’t plenty of time to have other discussions and find new targets. To me, it’s way more strange that so many people were happy to spread votes everywhere without really trying to either stoke discussion or consolidate in any way.
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vote spooky
Let’s see where this takes us.
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The avatar has disappeared again!
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I suppose it’ll depend on whether or not he’s around to respond.
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I’m as curious about the responses from everyone else, but, alas, no one is around again.
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I think it’s as good as place as any to start. We’ve got to put pressure somewhere.
Besides, it’s always entertaining to have Spooky on the defensive.
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vote nibbish
has seemed really suspicious yesterday and seems to know how to manipulate the game in his favor-
What was your reason to vote for Novak yesterday?
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Seemed suspicious at the time
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How so?
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You’re going to have to explain a bit on how I was “suspicious” yesterday.
I’ll gladly accept the “seems to know how to manipulate the game in his favor” charge.
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Would that it were true
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Seriously, though: being able to manipulate a game in one’s favor isn’t telling of role.
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List? List.
Adobery – Seems off, but hard to tell whether it’s wolfy or neutral feeling. His posts last night lacked substance and this morning’s post (his only one so far) did, as well. Need to see more here.
DG – Seemed fairly standard day one DG. The jump at the end fits his stated goal of finding someone other than DP or Novak to vote for, and like I said, Colin’s post was the wolfiest of the day. I’m leaning villager.
Novak – Had his back to the wall last night. Switched his vote to Colin off of DP toward the evening and left it there through everything. Undecided. Slightly leaning villager.
Todahshy – Fairly quiet last night, other than advocating for voting out a quiet/inactive (left vote on BB8 all evening). Reasonably active today, prodding DP and I. Leaning villager.
Dread Pirate – The fact that he left his vote on Novak all evening, even when Novak was a vote away from being jailed struck me as odd. Like, I know he didn’t say that he wouldn’t take his vote off (he did, eventually), but it just feels like a wolf hoping for a cheapie. His “either spooky or nibbish is a wolf” thing strikes me as odd. Leaning wolf.
Annette – Nothing ob substance.Lots of vote flippery with very little explanation. I know it was day one, but now it’s day two. Let’s hear some things!
BB8 – Dropped fifth vote on Novak. He’s new, but that cuts both ways here. Votes me today. Hard to read, any bias either way really colors what you think of his actions. If you look at them charitably, he’s a new player who cast a dangerous vote. If not, he’s a new wolf who was trying to get quick kill without realizing how that would make it look.
Spooky – I can never, ever read Spooky. His day one was weird, but he had real life stuff. He jumped on the Colin train at the end, mentioning that Colin’s post was wolfy.
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Without discussing it too much in advance, I’d love to hear spooky’s rationale for that switch.
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I said it at the time, so feel free to return to it.
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Were you concerned about vote totals?
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No, I was concerned about Colin. I was fine with Novak dying.
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I was fine with Novak dying.“… and being voted out too,”
is what I assume you meant.
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I wasn’t overly keen on dying, but I thought we were getting it right.
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No, I mean you were fine with me dying and fine with me being voted out too. Because it was a joke. The implication being me dying in real life and… now that I’m explaining it, the joke is even less funny.
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Oh, hell. And I had even planned on that very joke.
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Two people I have questions for
DG
https://adobery.com/2020/04/20/werewolves-at-cheers-2-day-1/#comment-3214
This post and the one after it. Who were you referring to when you said “I don’t really like either option?” It didn’t seem in direct response to anyone’s post. Was it the novak/pirate vote leaders at the time? I’m guessing that’s what your nested response was to clarify.
Was there a reason you didn’t like either of them? You never said. Or was it because you had the interest in spooky?
Matt
“No thoughts on Adobery, except I don’t like his “I’ll leave my vote where it is” thing.”What was wrong with that? I had put it out there we should consolidate votes and get two with more votes on them. I had to leave for the night and Pirate still had multiple votes, with you having 5.
If I move my vote it would be random as I had no ideas, and everyone else had 1 vote at the time so would defeat the purpose of keeping two under pressure, and I wouldn’t be around to explain or question or anything.
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I didn’t like it because it seemed out of character – an hour before the deadline you announce that you’re gonna be gone for an hour and definitely won’t make it back – none of the usual “I gotta run, but hopefully I can check in” stuff. It just sounded off to me.
I didn’t have a problem with the vote switch part because the numbers made sense. It was just the tone that seemed off.
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Because I definitely wasn’t going to be back in time. Grocery shopping took an hour at the store, then washing stuff, putting it away, then taking a shower.
I even said I wasn’t going to be around at the end of the day in the signup post before we had roles. Doesn’t mean much now, but not just pulling it out of a hat.
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I see what you’re saying. I just thought it sounded off. Nothing more.
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My explanation remains the same as what I said yesterday. I didn’t feel like I was being cryptic.
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Sorry, just trying to clarify. There were a couple times your comments were not nested with the person you were responding to so was confusing. I see the post about only one tripping you was Spooky before all that.
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vote Dread Pirate
So, what was with leaving the vote on Novak? Why is adding a second and third vote around midday so suspicious to you, considering that you said yourself that you hated the voting spread. This all seems off.
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I didn’t realize Novak was one vote away from a lynching until you mentioned it.
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I had thought that you had posted after Beau’s vote tally update, but upon review, it’s looking like you didn’t post again until after I had unvoted, at which point, it was less of a thing.
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I dunno, go back and reread his comment about leaving the vote on Novak. All he says is his vote is currently a joke vote on Novak and he is willing to switch it to another option if possible. I don’t see much there IN RETROSPECT (as some would say).
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RE2PECT
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Hear some things?! I’ve got no things. You people all sound like wolves to me. I thought the move to Colin last night seemed . . . forced.
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I thought the move to Colin last night seemed . . . forced.
It’s easy to say that in retrospect.
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Everything is easy to say in retrospect.
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Well, that’s easy to say … in … retrospect.
I got annoyed with myself halfway through that joke.
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Are you trying to start a fight with me?
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I’m not. It’s just that it’s easy to come on the next day, having not participated in the discussion the previous night and say that your unshared hunch proved to be totally right all along.
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I didn’t think that last night. I did say in retrospect! But it was Day 1 and I’m not pretending that I have a clue.
But you seem more defensive than usual now to me.
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Not as forced as the comment he made that moved us there.
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unvote Dread Pirate
I was mistaken about the timing of what happened yesterday night.
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Vote 8BSEMT8
I think this is where we need to put pressure. There hasn’t been a lot of substance, just statements about suspicion. If you’re a villager – especially a new villager – everyone should seem suspicious, right? So the challenge for 8BSEMT8 has to be to express what specifically they’re finding suspicious.
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vote mbnovak
I thought I was going to be voting for nibbish but Matt’s vote above is just as wolfy as his first vote yesterday. Maybe his vote posts are always wolfy because of how pompous they come off, though? Novak, defend yourself!
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Pompous? Ha! I don’t need to defend myself to you!
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Seriously though, I thought Colin looked wolfy last night, I voted there, lots of others agreed.
Last night I thought Nibs seemed clean – again, I don’t think Wolf Nibs points out DPWY’s stuff because I know I’m a villager. I know you all don’t have that confidence in that assessment, but I just don’t see it with Nibs, precisely because I know my role. I’d encourage a look other places.
I think Todah has seemed pretty villagery today with his hunting. He is present and asking questions, which gives us something to go on.
I think Adobery seems a little off, but the things that are off are just little tone things, nothing of substance. And he’s participating.
You’ve been largely absent, so not a lot to go on, but your night 1 seemed pretty typical for a Spooky villager – you saw something suspicious in Colin and moved on it, per usual.
Nothing stood out to me either way about DG or Annette. DPWY has some attention already. Thus, I think we should focus on the quietest villager who has been throwing around phrases like “seemed suspicious” without giving that any content.
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adobery
daneekasGhost
mbNovak (1) — voting BB8
todahshy — voting nibbish
The Dread Pirate — voting spookymilk
Annette Baron
8BSEMT8 (1) — voting nibbish
spookymilk (1) — voting mbnovak
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I’ll be AFK for most of the night. I’ll be helping running a city council meeting on zoom. I may be able to tune in on my phone from time to time, but can’t really count on being available. If the meeting runs long, I won’t be back. If it goes quick, I’ll be back for the end.
I think right now 8BSEMT8 is the best vote, as they’ve provided little-to-no substance, and aren’t really helping the village. If that changes tonight, good. I also feel like Nettie could step up more.
Right now Todahshy, Nibbish, and Spooky seem cleanest to me, and I think all 3 are reliable hunters who we would be unwise to target, again, barring any revealing changes tonight.
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Does the council take a vote on the flying kangaroos?
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unvote spookymilk
Let’s see how this one goes…
vote nettiebarron
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Vote Nibbish I don’t claim to have much of a wolf radar, but he seemed a little too . . . something today. Defensive? Serious? I don’t know, but it’s all I’ve got.
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You’re voting for nibbish because he’s a little too … something? I understand that sometimes it’s hard to articulate our suspicions in this game, but at least explain why you’re not suspecting others. Why not spooky? Or DG? Or adobery? Or me?
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I do suspect others. Spooky is pretty absent, which makes me suspect him. But that could be real life imposing itself on his time. Todashy ALWAYS seems shifty to me, so am I a good judge? Likewise, I find you to be somewhat shady. I hope these keen insights are helpful.
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I called her out for trying to gain cred by saying how fishy it was for her to come in and say that the case for Colin seemed forced.
She didn’t like that. This almost feels like a wolfy revenge vote.
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I’m torn here as the most wolfish thing I’ve seen today was nibbish keeping at DPWY long after I addressed the exact issue and it was nothing. And yet Novak who seems pretty villagery to me so far thinks he is clean but I like my vote where it is regardless.
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nibbish keeping at DPWY long after I addressed the exact issue
Uh, what? When did I say that he “refused to switch” and that was why I was voting for him.
He piped up about how his vote was a “joke” vote and that he just didn’t have anything better, but he kept his vote on Novak until after I unvoted. I felt that was way more odd than it was given credit for.
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I got my suspicion of nibbish from this this intriguing post from The Dread Pirate
The Dread Pirate
“There was no strategy at all and you both pounced on Novak for the same comment. It wasn’t a particularly wolfy comment, so it jumps out that one is trying to make a case for him while getting in the pile.
(I realize it’s silly to complain that you made a strategic vote while complaining that no one else was voting strategically, but this is werewolf so oh well)”
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I got my suspicion of nibbish from this this intriguing post from The Dread Pirate
The Dread Pirate
“There was no strategy at all and you both pounced on Novak for the same comment. It wasn’t a particularly wolfy comment, so it jumps out that one is trying to make a case for him while getting in the pile.
(I realize it’s silly to complain that you made a strategic vote while complaining that no one else was voting strategically, but this is werewolf so oh well)”
Edit: Forgot closing b tag
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Why did you find nibbish wolfy because of that post? If anything, that’s a damning post for Pirate. Novak’s post was wolfy as hell. It’s weird that he’d say it’s not.
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Why is it damning? I threw out actual suspicion and why I felt it. That’s a lot more than pretty much everyone else has been doing.
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How does the logic track? You’re taking credit for doing the thing you’re targeting us for.
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He said that there was no strategy right after he said that spooky and I were the only ones to be showing any strategy.
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I said there was “no strategy” for any of the other votes on day one to that point. I said that yours and spooky’s were the first that actually seemed to be strategic rather than jokes.
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Looking more closely, I guess I didn’t say “for any other votes” in that comment, but it’s definitely what I meant. Reading that in context with my other posts about your votes would demonstrate that.
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Only bold your votes/unvotes. That way the moderator can find these easy.
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vote dread pirate
I had thought I was getting myself up for a Nettie vote, but I’m finding myself right back here again. Bb8’s post actually makes me more suspicious of DP. His handling of the Novak unvote, his weird vote (that he kept) on DG. Even his reply to Nettie feels staged.
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Trying to get Nettie to say anything is staged? She hadn’t said anything of substance. She was voting for you because of “something.” That’s not particularly insightful about her reasoning we could use in the future. She also hadn’t commented about anyone else.
Wolves are having an easy job hiding because no one is saying or trying out any theories. Let’s get some thoughts on the record, folks!
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Read the last many hours. I know I haven’t contributed much yet, but been a busy day.
daneekasGhost – ? Wish was around more today with the Carla Curse gone. Didn’t seem wolfy yesterday.
mbNovak — seems villagery so far. Maybe cause last time I was his target when he was a wolf, but I’m not picking up that same vibe. No fake “let’s explore this rule” play or picking on anyone yet over minute things. Maybe that happens in day three
todahshy — nothing wolfy. Don’t know his play style
nibbish – Villager. His list had a villager vibe to me, the things he pointed out that people did. I think usually villager Pete is more absent and confused, but he’s got more time on his hands with the stay-at-home stuff so his increased activity doesn’t seem wolfy to me.
8BSEMT8 — My son. His first game. I don’t know if his “your suspicious” is just cause he doesn’t know what he should be doing yet, or he’s too busy with other extra curricular fun. I would think his wolf mate would coach him a little better if he was a wolf. Not jumping to conclusions yet.
spookymilk (1) — ? Nothing yet. Usually poking people more, but he’s got life going on.
The Dread Pirate & Annette – I’d be ok with a vote on either of these. Since I’m getting villager vibe off Nibbish, I’ll go with his judgement on thinking DP is seeming wolfy. I don’t know Annette’s game, I’m not getting much helpful off her.
vote Dread Pirate
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adobery — voting The Dread Pirate
daneekasGhost
mbNovak (1) — voting BB8
todahshy — voting nibbish
The Dread Pirate (2)— voting nettiebarron
Annette Baron (1)– voting nibbish
8BSEMT8 (1) — voting nibbish
spookymilk — voting mbnovak
nibbish (3) — voting The Dread Pirate35 minutes until bar closes
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Really? No one going to say anything? Everyone’s happy with the status quo?
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vote nettiebarron
I’d rather her than other options.
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I really don’t think nibbish is a wolf.
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Nor do I
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There’s plenty to go on with logged conversation between DP /novak / nibbish, so that could come in handy later even if DP is a wolf that doesn’t get lynched today. So I’d rather switch to Annette who has been less active and have her voted out than Nibbish who has been seeming villagery to me.
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unvote dread pirate
vote NettieI have to stop reading everything Pirate says in a negative light. I’m going over everything he’s said with the viewpoint that a wolf is saying them. When you look at things that way, everything looks bad.
Nettie’s acting like she’s wolf hunting, but she isn’t. Her latching onto me after I lightly called out her retrospect is the wolfiest thing I’ve seen today. At this point, i should just trust my instinct.
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adobery — voting nettiebarron
daneekasGhost — voting nettiebarron
mbNovak (1) — voting BB8
todahshy — voting nibbish
The Dread Pirate (1)— voting nettiebarron
Annette Baron (3)– voting nibbish
8BSEMT8 (1) — voting nibbish
spookymilk — voting mbnovak
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So, nettie or nibs? What fresh hell is this?
vote nettie because there’s almost never enough content to read.
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Oh, with the unvote as well of course
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Any other reason for nettie over nibbs besides “she hasn’t said much”?
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No
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The bar is closed
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Nettiebarron has been sent up to Melville’s
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Post to come closer to 10:30 central
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Gary sat down at the table with nettiebarron, who was digging into her Smorgastarta and Spanokopita, prepared by the finest chefs at Melville’s.
“Are you Sam Malone,” Gary asked?
.“That barkeep I used to look good for reelection but then fell in love with for real? Fraid not.”
Melissa D: Rebecca Howe, manager, stolen for some reason
Colin Prime: Sumner Sloan, in the wrong season
Annette Baron: Janet Eldridge, single and alone
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